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Episcopal fold loses 1st diocese - in valley

Ellen Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer

Sunday, December 9, 2007

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I only note this splintering of a denomination as part of a larger
crack up taking place in most denominations along political/social/biblical lines.....IMHO the middle will have no where to go...as the remaining entities will represent the "extremes" conservative / liberal.
I wonder which sins this diocese will allow its clergy to commit; surely among them there are liars, there are most likely plenty of "graven images" in their churches, and unless they comprise a new race of human beings, I'm betting they have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Moreover, since it was the mandate of the NH diocese (with an overwhelming vote of yes from both clergy and laity) to elect Gene Robinson as bishop of that diocese, I don't understand the conservatives' problem. If they don't want to have a gay bishop, then they shouldn't elect one. After all, even this "split" is really just a shuffle of hierarchy within the larger Communion. Such a silly waste of money time and effort.
In the past few months I have recently moved towards becoming a member of the Episcopal Church. I may post some writing about my spiritual journey on this forum to fill in a bit more, but I do have a few thoughts on the Episcopal Church:

The Anglican tradition has always been defined by moderation, after all it was born as a "Via Media" between Catholicism and Protestantism, and even posseses a threefold source of authority: Scripture, Tradition and Reason/Experience (thus making the church also both grounded in the ancient traditions of the past and to new ideas/spirituality). For instance both J.S. Spong and Marcus Borg are Episcopalians. The Episcopal Church has long tolerated a diversity of theological views, different styles of worship and different emphasis within the church. I was largely attracted to them for their Via Media and their grounding of different perspectives.

Certainly many of ECUSA's top leaders are more progressive but it is the progressive segment of the church that is thriving (and the majority of the church is progressive-moderate). The breakaway segments represent conservative positions that are contrary to the Episcopal tradition-this sudden burst of Biblical literalism/fundamentalism is NOT part of the Anglican tradition at all. As for the Anglican Communion-this is a loose association of churches and since ECUSA is supplying the money for the majority of the international missions I find it hard to believe that even the hardcore patriachal African churches can force ECUSA out (I often say that while I don't know if God is dead I do know that Mammon is alive and well).

In the meantime I think ECUSA will likely survive this shakeup-after all the Episcopal Church did survive the ordination of women. I just hope the "Via Media" is never lost.
Logan, good luck in your spiritual journey. The Episcopal church has some attractive qualities....yet, for me, despite the church being progressive etc. to be a member still requires accepting certain things that I cannot in good faith do. In the near future, I wonder if the church will become something "new". The conflict is clearly between those who want to retain historic understandings and authority against those pushing for more "progressive stances." Until the progressives are willing to cut loose from certain required orthodox beliefs...and essentially become a new church...the conflict will remain.
In becoming an Episcopalian, are you inclined to theologically remain a Unitarian (and possibly Universalist)? An acquaintance of mine here who used to be in the UUCF is a member of the ECUSA and also a Unitarian, and Tom Harpur is an ordained Anglican priest in Canada who is decidedly not a trinitarian. And then, of course, there is King's Chapel.

I attend an Episcopal cathedral here very frequently. It makes a point of welcoming people no matter where they are on their spiritual journey. I don't recite the traditional creeds at all. I really enjoy the spirit of the place. I'd love to be part of a congregation of God loving Unitarians and Universalists, but it may not develop here in my remaining years.

John
Being in the Georgia, we have tons of Episcopal &/or Anglican churches (since they sometimes come in different flavors; there's one part of town with a conservative self-styled Anglican church right next to a mainline Episcopal church; I try not to laugh out loud when driving by, but I can't help but wonder what it's like when both services end and the opposing teams head towards their respective parking lots? I envision Cranmer's BOCP being lobbed over the trees and knocking out a gay deacon on the one side, or alternatively an argyle golf sweater soaked in gin and tonic and let aflame being projected by the other side). I joke of course; I have a real interest in Anglicanism and my own dream church is a non-Christian, Unitarian theist Anglo-Catholic congregation with all the incense and robes one could stuff into it Wink
My spiritual journey has taken many an interesting twist and turn as of late. A few months ago I made the decision to return to calling myself a Christian, and to return somewhat closer to orthodoxy. To tackle my “return to Christianity” first: Part of this was a practical decision based on the difficulty I had with a more generic, free-form belief (as Steve Jones once said to me, “it’s difficult to get excited over a generic universalism”). I found little satisfaction in a generic form of spirituality, and while I continue to be infatuated with the multiple religious traditions of the world I am painfully aware that trying to make religious pluralism into an actual religion of its own doesn’t have a good track record (the Ba’hai Faith, Unitarian Universalism, New Age movement, and the Theosophy movement have all attempted it and all ended up failing miserably at developing a religion that truly synchronizes the parts). So from that standpoint I needed a specific religion and Christianity fit the bill for a few reasons namely:

--It is the religion of my heritage and culture, so it was already “home”
--From a moral and spiritual perspective I find Christianity most satisfying: It pushes the boundaries of love and service further than Judaism; has a loving, intimate parental God unlike Islam; and unlike Buddhism it doesn’t make peace with suffering in the world but instead vows to defeat and overcome evil and suffering
--Finally, there remains something incredibly alluring about Jesus. As writer N.T. Wright has said there was just something “different about Jesus”.


I think the biggest problem I had with retaining a more Unitarian understanding of Christ was that I am unable to view Jesus as just another prophet or great teacher. I do believe it is important to understand Jesus of Nazareth as a historical man; and that of course he was a moral and spiritual Teacher-the greatest, IMO. But there was something unique about Jesus as well, that makes him rise above other religious masters like Buddha or Muhammad. From the beginning there was an acknowledgment that God seemed present in an unusually powerful, profound and palpable way in Jesus. As Marcus Borg described it, where most religions find God in the teachings of a religion in Christianity God was embodied not only in the teachings but also in a person: Jesus was, in a sense, a human sacrament of God. (I also admit to being a believer in the Resurrection, though I admit exactly how it worked is unclear to us).

The view of Jesus as a sacrament of God is the best summation of my own views. I will say a bit more on that in a moment, but to further explain my religious a bit more: I still consider myself moderate-progressive in my beliefs. While reading pages on the Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship website I came across this particular article: http://www.uuchristian.org/for-visitors/...hristians/ I realize that I embody, in a sense, all 3 of the primary categories of liberal Christian described in this article: Classical (simple personal beliefs); Catholic (a broad and inclusive view of the church); and Liberation (a way of living and engaging the world). I have found several sources that nourish me spiritually and that meet each of these 3 categories. They are as follows:

Classical: I now consider myself a Christian Universalist and would say my views here are best summed up by the 7 Principles of the Christian Universalist Association (http://www.christianuniversalist.org/beliefs.html). This is a broad view of universalism that believes in Universal Salvation (and, more broadly, the restoration of all of creation), while also counting among its principles a view of God as Love and Spirit; the Universal Commandment being to love and serve one another as we love ourselves (the Golden Rule); karma and life after death; the idea of salvation being transformation; faith being a mystery; and that divine revelation is found in many, many places, that the Spirit of God lies within each of us (similar to the Quaker view of the Inner Light), and that we should all be free to pursue truth. Christian Universalism sees the Christian story through the lens of this Universalist spirituality.

Catholic: I chose the Episcopal Church/Anglican tradition for its broad and inclusive view of Christianity, a.k.a. the Via Media. I have always had a preference for the Sacraments and Liturgy, and a respect for tradition, yet a tolerance for dissent and new understandings. This view (as articulated by the UUCF and practiced by ECUSA) seeks out the best from all of Christianity. It is ecumenical, moderate, and retains the richness of the Christian tradition. I have found ECUSA best fits this model.

Liberation: As distinct from liberation theology (of which I am most decidedly not believer of) Liberation Christianity presents Christianity as a way of life, of relationships and of engaging the world at large. I have found the best summation of these views to be the Phoenix Affirmations, 12 principles that take a moderate-progressive view of the Great Commandment (understood as the threefold love of God, Neighbor and Self). These principles call for a full way of living a Christian life. The principles may be found here: http://www.crosswalkamerica.org/PhoenixA...fault.aspx


As such my definition of Christianity is a set of simple beliefs (and as a Universalist my views a broad view of spirituality), a way of living within the Church (also broad) and of engaging the world (at large).

A few more thoughts on these matters:

Logan, good luck in your spiritual journey. The Episcopal church has some attractive qualities....yet, for me, despite the church being progressive etc. to be a member still requires accepting certain things that I cannot in good faith do. In the near future, I wonder if the church will become something "new". The conflict is clearly between those who want to retain historic understandings and authority against those pushing for more "progressive stances." Until the progressives are willing to cut loose from certain required orthodox beliefs...and essentially become a new church...the conflict will remain.

This was an interesting matter for me too, and I suppose one thing I like about the Episcopal Church is that it is not rigidly creedal. Yes, it retains the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds, and there is a Catechism that describes an outline of the faith, but the church nonetheless also values reason and experience and tends to view tradition in a more “organic” way than some other churches. As such I find the teachings serve more as guidelines than as actual rules. I also find that there are ways to interpret and understand ancient teachings in a different way in the modern world-retaining the creeds but finding new meanings/understandings of them for instance. There are different approaches of course: One can be like John Shelby Spong and try to throw out all the language; or one could be more like Marcus Borg and try to find a new understanding for old truths. I think the tradition provides an anchor and grounding for the faith, while keeping it open at the same time. In addition the tradition provides a rich and bountiful source of worship, liturgy and other forms of practicing the faith, which appear (to me at least) to be more important in the Anglican tradition than dogma or traditional doctrines. I can understand what you mean about affirming some things as a member. I am simply able to reconcile them by saying that they mean different things to me than to others.



In becoming an Episcopalian, are you inclined to theologically remain a Unitarian (and possibly Universalist)? An acquaintance of mine here who used to be in the UUCF is a member of the ECUSA and also a Unitarian, and Tom Harpur is an ordained Anglican priest in Canada who is decidedly not a trinitarian. And then, of course, there is King's Chapel.

I attend an Episcopal cathedral here very frequently. It makes a point of welcoming people no matter where they are on their spiritual journey. I don't recite the traditional creeds at all. I really enjoy the spirit of the place. I'd love to be part of a congregation of God loving Unitarians and Universalists, but it may not develop here in my remaining years.

John




Theologically I am most definitely a Universalist, as noted above. As far as the Unitarian definition goes, I am uncertain at this time whether to retain that label for myself or not. When it comes to the Trinity and Deity of Christ, I do not fall easily into either category (orthodox or heresy). I tend to view the Trinity more as a metaphor for how God works in the world and a representation of different images of God as opposed to an actual schematic of God’s nature (technically this is the heresy of Modalism, but quite honestly most Christians I know are already Modalists, even if they don’t know it).



As for the Deity of Christ, as noted above my views here are not really Unitarian since I don’t see him as just another religious leader. The CUA views him as a sort of human sacrament, which fits my beliefs, as well as the archetypal Divine-Man. However, their view does not see his status as unique but rather as representative of the journey and destiny of all of humanity (in other Jesus isn’t the only Son of God by any means, he was simply the one chosen to set the pattern and “show the way” for the rest of us). This is a belief known as “theosis”. I have written about that subject for the CUA, which can be found here: http://www.christianuniversalist.org/art...hrist.html Suffice it to say I am not really a Christian Unitarian, though I fall short of meeting the standards of Trinitarian orthodoxy as well (personally, I think the Unitarian vs. Trinitarian divide may not be such a divide as it is often made out to be).


Am I a Unitarian in the broader sense, similar to how I have a broad Universalist view of theology and spirituality? If by Unitarian you mean believing in only One God known by many names, I can say yes, absolutely I am. Rev. Dorris wrote an interesting view on Unitarian principles of faith (http://americanunitarian.org/forum/showt...hp?tid=252). Of his 5 principles I affirm #s 2, 3, 4 and 5 quite strongly. In fact 4 and 5 together make up the 7th principle of the CUA, 3 is the 2nd principle of the CUA, and 2 is implied throughout (the Phoenix Affirmations directly affirms the value of other paths to God). I can’t really say that I affirm Principle #1, since I consider my tradition Christian, not Unitarian (though a Christian approach that is open to insights from, dialogue with, and has respect for, other religions).


So am I a Unitarian? I’m really not sure…

Being in the Georgia, we have tons of Episcopal &/or Anglican churches (since they sometimes come in different flavors; there's one part of town with a conservative self-styled Anglican church right next to a mainline Episcopal church; I try not to laugh out loud when driving by, but I can't help but wonder what it's like when both services end and the opposing teams head towards their respective parking lots? I envision Cranmer's BOCP being lobbed over the trees and knocking out a gay deacon on the one side, or alternatively an argyle golf sweater soaked in gin and tonic and let aflame being projected by the other side). I joke of course; I have a real interest in Anglicanism and my own dream church is a non-Christian, Unitarian theist Anglo-Catholic congregation with all the incense and robes one could stuff into it

Interesting perspective! (And a very funny joke, by the way). Like you I have a preference for Anglo-Catholic worship, though as I’ve noted above I’ve found the non-Christian Unitarian theism harder to work with…somehow I either find myself coming back to Christ (albeit in a more broad sense) or unable to sustain the religious fervor for long.



Thoughts anyone?
Wonderful response! I understand clearly what you seek and why....in fact, as noted above....a "future" synthetic church is an ideal. Don't be a stranger here....I value your perspective.
Something happens to me every Easter....I sense my spiritual longing increasing....a sort of burning in the chest...part of this can be explained by the lack of being involved in a local church community and the spiritual feedback...but, it also could be interpreted as a small sign of the divine urge.....however I view Jesus...he remains an enigma...and the Easter Event a mystery. In fact, I can see how Unitarians could accept the whole resurrection story...and still maintain that Jesus and the Father are seperate....ok, it is a heresy...but it works.
So, where does this lead me? As discussed above....I hope to see continued changes in some mainline progressive churches...there is a local Episcopal church that is progressive...maybe it is not a perfect fit but it may be the best available...something to ponder.
Hi Logan,

Spiritual journeys take many twists and turns.  The important thing is to be you.  Many different labels will be applied to you over the course of years. Others will say you are this or that.  What is important is that you are true to your own beliefs, not in what others think.

Many have entered the realm of hypocrisy by using existing creeds and doctrines, but changing the meaning to suit their own needs.  Many have used existing church organizations to further their own personal ambitions.  Many have grown to like the labels more than the meaning of the teachings.  Many just want the sense of security and belonging to something greater.  So be true to who you are and live what you say you believe.

You are right in your assessment that many organizations have failed by trying to be all things to all people.  I agree with that.  It has not and will not work.  That however is vastly different from recognizing the best in all teachings, allowing people the freedom to worship in a way they understand, and providing a meeting ground where all can work together in a harmonious way, based on shared thoughts and teachings, for the good of all mankind.

Logan, you have an exciting future ahead.  Many doors will open before you.  You have a great gift in being able to communicate your thoughts to others.  Don't settle for anything less than what you think is best.

With love,

Rev Dorris
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